BONUS: Jeremy Swift • Leslie Higgins on Ted Lasso

Christian  
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Brett   
that's high praise

Marisa  
Christian, you got a problem? What is it?

Christian  
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Brett   
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Marisa  
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Brett   
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Christian  
let's hit the break right quick. And join back here to start our special bonus episode interview.

Brett   
See you on the flip.

Marisa  
Or as a brilliant man once said, Caesar you're later.

Welcome back to the crown and anchor greyhounds. This is an especially specially special bonus episode of Richmond. So he died a conversation about the Apple TV plus show Ted Lasso, where we explore the characters, their relationships to each other and how they're able to make us laugh until we can hardly breathe One moment, and then feel with the deepest parts of our hearts the next. I'm Marissa, I love being here with y'all, but maybe not as much as I loved talking to our guests for this episode.

Christian  
I'm Christian. I'm the soccer barbecue guy. And I'm incredibly grateful that our guest has shared some of his time with us today to give us the funk. 

Brett   
. And I'm Brett and I am honored that we had the opportunity to host an actor on the show and one of the founding members of the Diamond Dogs. In addition to his work on Ted lasso, he has also appeared in massive TV and film hits like Downton Abbey, and Mary Poppins returns. Plus, he's an accomplished stage actor and musicians. So, greyhounds It is our pleasure to introduce to you the one and only Mr. Leslie Higgins himself, Jeremy switch. People. Jeremy, great to have you today, we're excited to talk to you about your work on Ted lasso, which we love our listeners love. I can't wait to share your words with them. And then some of your other some of your other work as well. And your music. And sure. Yeah, we're excited to get into it with you today. For our listeners

Christian  
If you're fans of Ted Lasso, you likely don't need any introduction to Jeremy Swift. He was kind enough to connect with us on social media and to give some of his time today to be here with us. And Mr. Swift, I noticed that you're wearing something special for us today. Can you tell us about the incredible shirt you have on?

Jeremy Swift  
It's it's quite a poor design, really. But I thought I had to have it because it's got it's basically Roxy Music quotes from different songs, which sort of juxtaposed together sort of make, he can't quite see but they kind of make up a weird, you know, lyric of their own. But I don't have too many band t shirts, but I couldn't take this one out. I was gonna dig out my Dutch Uncles t shirt, but it's very itchy. A bit too distracted the whole time. Slightly more slightly more comfortable. But yeah, completely. Yeah. But it's slightly more accurate because you know, if I was a sports fan, and I'd been into something from as a kid, you know, I'm still supporting them faithfully to the you know, this would be them rock rock music, because it's been it's nearly nearly half a century of fan worship by me. And yeah, I still I still listen to their early albums with a lot of pleasure seeing them about five times. They don't really play anymore. I don't really like Bryan Ferry on his own so much but

Christian  
we won't tell him

Jeremy Swift  
Oh, you can I want to have lunch with him finding out getting Roxy Music back together again. Really quite close. So yes, that's that's, that's my band, rocks

Christian  
music till we die. That's what we always say.

Jeremy Swift  
Incidentally, that song that was kind of improvised on episode six where all round a fire at the end. You guys, probably, maybe more than I have. But we were trying to sort of like get a, you know, a chat going. I think it came from Phil Dunster in the end. So that's how that came to be.

Christian  
That makes a lot of sense with that songs, roots, you know, dating back to the wars in London, like it makes sense that it was one of the English guys that kind of brought it up just because it would be super familiar to especially those folks. One of the things that we admire a lot on the show and rave about are your facial expressions, how did you get so proficient at using your face expressively?

Jeremy Swift  
This has come up a lot. All I can think of I'm trying to be in the zone, I have a quite big flabby face. Sometimes when I think when I'm doing something that's like, you know, most for most people will be like, small. When I do, it's just it just and you know, just a small movement of lips. And that's all I can think because I'm just trying to be in the zone. And it is a comedy. So yes, I didn't do any. I didn't do a degree in facial expressions. But you know, I do seriously, you know, action out my script and try and make a backstories and what have you. So it all makes sense to me internally? You know,

Marisa  
that's great. Yeah, one of my favorite moments is the physical comedy is when the the phone starts to fall and you go to catch it. You know, just those little moments like that are so hilarious to me. I love it.

Brett   
Yeah. Was that a real catch? Or was that movie magic?

Jeremy Swift  
That was a real catch. We're trying to when I realized I said to Jason, should I just need something that needs to be there and and so I practiced in front of a settee, that's just offset. So I didn't have to, well, hopefully didn't smash their prop firm. About 45 minutes just doing that. There was a take where it went in the air and I caught it. But um, but I like that one because it seemed like, Yeah, I did drop it, but No, I didn't. So yeah,

Brett   
you just mentioned a second ago about how you sort of imagine and make up these backstory things for Higgins that maybe we don't always know about on the show. Is there like something about Higgins backstory that we don't know that you'd like to share? That's not a spoiler. That's not a spoiler?

Jeremy Swift  
It's not a smooth? No. Well, I decided that although it doesn't come up, particularly that Higgins is a kind of football nerd. And was and was would know about the technicalities of stuff, even though I do not know anything. And I could never explain the offside rule, but I did think he's somebody who always really wanted to do you know, there's plenty of people like us who love the sport, a sport, want to do it, find they're not really good at it become fans of it. And so I think that's, that's one of the main things that I thought that he was about, and that he may have started off doing some kind of, you know, administrative work or worked in an accountants office before he you know, he had this opportunity. And I but I also think that he was kind of riddled by the poison a Rupert in the past. So and was and and had sleepless nights about it. So But yeah, I just have that in inside my head.

Christian  
There's a lot of dancing in the show. Is the dancing credit to Jeremy swift or is the dancing part of Higgins.

Jeremy Swift  
I welded the dancing it with the cake dancing thing that was just that was just a line, you know? Higgins hoping that you know, that. Ted had come and have some cake Higgins. And then there was a music on so I started dancing to that. And Zach Raff who directed that episode, just kept on shooting it and I ended up eating so much terrible cake. I mean, like three quarters of it, because I stuffed it into my mouth. But my my teeth were literally buzzing for about two days. But the sugar impacts

Christian  
every report that I hear about the quality of the onset food is that it's horrible from the biscuits now to the cake. So hopefully with the success of the show the proper food budget, gets a big bump for you guys next season.

Jeremy Swift  
It thinks that the biscuits have improved on this series. And I had my first one for a bit of PR the other day that had to do and I was like, these are fine. She's like, Yeah, but in the first season, they were terrible. All right, all right. You don't know what I've been through? Yeah.

Christian  
Speaking of Hannah, in episodes, eight and nine, Higgins and Rebecca's relationship experiences, anger, frustration, hurt, eventually forgiveness and reconciliation. But for you, does acting an arc like that change your outlook on real life at all.

Jeremy Swift  
I suppose that you can turn a corner quite quickly, in with a relationship. I think, I think I've been there myself that, you know, it's, you know, you reach a crisis point with somebody, and there's no way to go, but to be open and honest. And say, I screwed up or whatever, whichever person it is, in the relationship, and for that person to the other person to accept that. I can't say that always happens, people hold grudges for a very long time. But it's a great, it's a really attractive bit of human interaction. I think, over the those those two episodes that she takes Ted's forgiveness kind of thing and hopes that Higgins will do the same and, and she's open enough for him to do that.

Marisa  
I think that's what makes this show. So, you know, relatable for people is that it's not just a quirky comedy that there's, you know, this real human interaction that we can all relate to. And I think we all especially did, especially during COVID. So, we know you also were a part of this other small show Downton Abbey.

Brett   
I think I've heard of it. Yeah, maybe Yeah.

Marisa  
But since that was such a massive hit, Ted LaSalle. coming along, maybe felt like a smaller project that steadily gained momentum and an even more devoted following. What were some of the technical and creative differences between working on a show like Downton Abbey and Ted lasso.

Jeremy Swift  
I came into Downton Abbey, halfway through the renovate it seasons, and I really didn't know how long I was going to be on it. I wasn't like, given a certain amount of episodes. I was in one. I was invited to be in it. I didn't audition for anything by a director I'd worked for, but six times actually called David Evans, who's who directed fever pitch, really great film with Colin Firth. And so I didn't think much of it, but they just kept on bringing me back. I had met Maggie before on Gosford Park, and I really like working with her. She's absolutely fantastic. And Sue Johnston's Well, she's she's amazing actor. But he was he was very different because that was that was already come through. So there were a lot of people, they they'd sort of experienced all this success and, and they knew they'd got to the you know, there, they'd come over for awards and all this kind of thing. So that but I'd say they were all really nice. It's a really nice set Downton Abbey and I enjoyed the character immensely. The Yeah, it was Ted lasses, very different thing because even though it seemed, you know, it seems, you know, relatively small, I mean, I thought it destined for success, because the the writing was so good. And when I saw the writers, you know, what they've done before I was amazed. I mean, it's you know, everybody was surprised at how sucks seem to be surprised at how successful it is. But if you look at the records of the writers that mean they've done amazing work for you know, Simpsons, Modern Family, Rick and Morty just really great, witty, smart shows. And I was Yeah, just very excited to be part of it, you know, from from the get go. And I and then when the whole success thing of it was, I really, you know, I'd been in things before where I've thought this is great. And then the reviews come out and you go, oh, oh, they hate it. I thought we were creating the director lighters and so you never really know how the public are going to be and then there was a couple of slightly stinky reviews initially. And I thought, Oh, okay. And that but then the public on social media just went crazy for it. So and, and, and still, it's it's strange, isn't it? Because of this streaming thing and the drip feed, there are still people saying, hey, I've just seen Ted was pretty good. Right? Like, you know, and so they still keep tabs on it.

Brett   
I think one of the things that that makes it surprising to people is that when the show was being teased, like, there wasn't a lot of leaning on the fact that like Bill Lawrence as part of this, and like other like, I just didn't see a lot of that in the initial kind of, like teasers and trailers like that wasn't hyped up as much as just like, Oh, it's this character that Jason Sudeikis made for these funny bits. You know, it's kind of like, I can see how people are a little like, I might not give that a try. But then yeah, you're exactly right. When you get into it and see the technical team, you're like, Oh, this is like a who's who of people who have made shows that I love. Yeah. Like, you're not surprised after you learn that? Yeah, yeah, we have a friend who is a big Downton Abbey fan and has always talked about even before we watched it last, oh, how much she loves your character in that show how your your characters one of her favorites. She's actually down at the Texas Shakespeare Festival right now. So she wasn't able to be here with us to ask this in person. So I'm gonna ask it on her behalf. Who was who was the better boss, the Dowager Countess or Rebecca slash Ted,

Jeremy Swift  
the better boss? That's an interesting question. Yeah, well, I suppose the Dowager Countess is more experienced she she can always come up with a hard but fair solution to things. Whereas Rebecca is doesn't quite embrace the role of boss, other than for the benefits of revenge in season one, so I would say that I would count as wins.

Brett   
This follow up question to that. How do you think the Dowager Countess would respond to a meeting with Ted last? Oh,

Jeremy Swift  
great question. Oh, my God. I would I want to see that immediately. Oh, my God, my my mind is flying through scenarios. Now. I would say that she would ask him why he talking with it with you know, such silly country witticisms and just get to the point, something like that, you know, and tell him to put some proper clothes on,

Marisa  
we also got to enjoy your role as getting in Mary Poppins returns. And I'm sure it was amazing to be part of a sequel of such a beloved film. What was it like to see an animated version of yourself?

Jeremy Swift  
Oh, yes. The Badshah. That's Yeah, what was koebner holes, Brooke Smith, and I had to, you know, at the beginning of Disney films, where they have that old, like a sketch of Mickey Mouse, we were doing it to that we didn't, they didn't, it was in no way. Nowhere fully realized. And so that was strange. But we we gave it our all with a lot of energy to have, that I don't do a lot of that kind of thing to be doing such crazy cartoon voices, you know, just, you know, that kind of putting sacks into that. That was that was that was very strange. But we did that in about three hours, all of that voice work for that. But I love being involved in the film. It was a pinch yourself staff to, you know, to be involved in it. And I think the last day I did was the was flying sequence for the last song. And there's no way to go but up. And then I was just really quite emotional at the end of it all because I, you know, I saw, you know, I'm old enough to seeing the film what the first one when it came out, it was one of the first films I ever saw.

Brett   
Yeah, we I remember distinctly we saw that in theaters on our two young girls who were probably like, five and two at the time. I mean, they were but they, they were enamored by the whole thing, which is pretty fantastic, especially for a live action film, when children are that young, even if it does have music.

Marisa  
Your non animated character didn't get to be in any of the huge choreographed numbers in that musical movie. So if you could insert yourself into one of them, what would it be?

Brett   
This one are the original.

Jeremy Swift  
Oh, you mean one of the songs or the? Oh, I don't know. Oh, and I'd have to do the the rooftop one with the original chimney sweep.

Marisa  
Yes. We want to be in a number with defended right. Oh, yeah.

Jeremy Swift  
Well, I mean, that was, you know, meeting him. That's just that was I mean, I think Colin Firth said it, you know, that, you know, you do you do meet, if you stick around long enough you meet famous people, but to meet somebody like that is, is just almost surreal. You know, it's, and then he is as adorable as you would think, you know? Oh, what an amazing guy.

Marisa  
So moving from movies to West End, you tried the boards a time or two? What are for you? What are the main challenges and differences from stage to screen acting

Jeremy Swift  
stamina, and the weirdness, I do prefer that one of the reasons I do prefer filming is mostly because you mostly film in daytime hours. And getting to, you know, going out in the evening, five or something and preparing yourself for a show in the evening is, you know, it involves preparation, you know, it's such a strange thing time on day to have a high level of energy to keep several 100 people involved in your performance. You can't, can't sort of cut corners at all, you know, particularly if it's comedy, you know, which I've done a lot of on stage. Yeah, but the the good side is that you can you're rehearsing you can find immense detail, and you can get really get into the rhythm and music of it. And, and you can, you know, you can go really deep with, with stage work. What I find doesn't work for me is doing things for too long on stage. Because, you know, if it just becomes a little bit automatic, and you don't, you're not feeling it quite so much. So I try and avoid jobs that go on for, you know, six months or something like that. I just can't do them anymore. But yeah, I love filming. I think more and I love filming, you know, in location. I really love that I love you know, on a street in a field. That kind of thing. I just yeah, that's my favorite thing.

Marisa  
So one of the things I love about live theater is sort of the chaos of anything can happen at a moment. Right? So do you have anything from your time on stage? That would be maybe a memorable moment, or embarrassing or frightening or anything that's happened that you want to share with us? We won't tell anyone except for anyone who's listening.

Jeremy Swift  
Yeah, well, I have told Joe Kelly this story. He's one of the main, you know, writers and creators of the show. He did tell me the other day. I've told everybody that story now. So you know, it is out there kind of thing. But about 30 years ago, I was in a production of P against at the National Theatre. And there was a county of chorus of us, we were in a big stage in the Olivia stage. And there were lots of people involved. And you know, we made a kind of picture. You know, if there was a funeral scene, there would be everybody on stage like that 30 to 34 of us would be on stage with umbrellas and things, it really made an evocative picture filled out the stage. And there was a scene. I only had like a couple of characters in there, I actually spoke because I, you know, my career wasn't really the high flying man, but, but I did play a naked inmate of an asylum and had to come in from underneath the stage. At one point, and when you're underneath the stage, it's a little bit like being underwater, everything that people onstage you know, and so you couldn't hear the cue the real raw cue lights, you know, and I am the preceding scene, which was a very philosophical two hander scene. I came up in the middle of that. Naked I couldn't go back. And one of the one of the person did as well. And we realized that there was like, way too early for maybe five minutes to go. So I just said, Chase me. And I just got it to chase me around the stage. Whilst I heard underneath the stage, the rest of the cast, just killing themselves with laughter. Yeah. And it was, you know, full frontal. Yeah, I mean, he's, I always thought, oh, cuz the scene went on, quite long anyway. For like, 1520 minutes, which is quite long enough to be stopped, bollock naked nude, it just, it was even longer. Oh,

Brett   
There is bringing it back to Ted lasso the this there's the scene where you're playing the double bass and Rebecca walks up to the house and she watches you very confusedly your character as Higgins. She's watching kind of confusedly for a moment. And she taps on the glass, which you do a hilarious like, spit, take their like reaction take where you're, like terrified. And it's hilarious. But then also, that was real double bass. You were playing right. You

Jeremy Swift  
that was that was you? It was me. Yes. Yes. How did that come about? Were you possibly going to us?

Brett   
Yes. Have you? Have you studied the double bass? Is that something that you've played for a long time? Or you took up recently?

Jeremy Swift  
Um, I? Yeah, about about five years now. I've been going for lessons. I came about when it's on a lunch break. I said to Jason, when does he appear again? And he said, Oh, he you know, Rebecca's going to go to his house and and I said, oh, maybe you could have had a really long beard by the holiday. I said, All joking around is that how, how long has it been, you know? And he said, Well, he could have maybe a jazz guilty, guilty. And I went, Oh, well, I like, you know, crow barring it. Well, I like jazz. And I like playing the double bass and the piano and stuff. And he's in an amateur way. Or I'm okay. I'm quite Yeah. So So yeah, that's how that came to be. To be in there. It sounds quite weird because the I'm not playing with any backing. So the editor didn't obviously didn't really know the piece in in isolation. So it's cut together a little bit strangely, I think. Yeah, it's it. You know, if you knew the piece, it would seem like Well,

Brett   
I do have a question but it sounded to me kind of had like a Bebop quality to it. It reminded me of like Mingus or Paul chambers who was a basis for Miles Davis and Coltrane. Like it's something in that vein, or what was the song

Jeremy Swift  
it Gosh, it's suddenly just going out my head but it is it is actually poor chambers on the on the original it's a poor chambers liner. Yeah. And I go I go through a lot of poor chambers. pieces, you know, like blue and green from kinda flew and that my, my bass teacher, very sweetly transcribes from from listening. Yeah. Yeah, I love I haven't really played with many people in strict difficult to join a band when you're an act. I always had that when I was younger, I was in a band, a couple of bands in my 20s and 30s. And then yeah, it's just really hard to commit. I don't know how I know other actors do it. So that's why I've recently just done more of my, my own thing and, you know, multi tracks.

Brett   
You released an album A few years ago, and I if I remember correctly, that was all self produced. And I it's kind of like a 80s pop rock. I think I've noticed like some Bowie maybe Human League or when in Rome kind of influences popping up. They're like, what other musicians or genres do you draw inspiration from when you're working on your, your kind of solo projects?

Jeremy Swift  
I suppose those things are just part of your bloodstream, aren't they? Once you want to protect known your influences, and you guys will, will will will know this. And so I suppose it just, it just comes out, but Well, I love so many people and then so many different genres really. You know, not of 20th century classical music, but pop music wise. You know, Scott work? Yes, Bowie. Scott Walker, Roxy Music, I like a lot of art rock. You know, Bjork, the associates, and Dutch uncles. Stuff like that. I'm working at the moment with a producer. Because Yeah, as you said, I self produced that album. And I think it shows now in retrospect, but the producer I'm working with now is very, very clever guy called Mark woman, who was he was actually the kind of set pianist on Mary Poppins returns. He worked for Marc Shaiman, and but he is he's a great arranger and musician in his own right. And he's he he arranged strings for the last two scott walker albums, the more kind of difficult kind of oh my god what's happened to him album. And, and he's been doing just amazing stuff with my new songs. So I'm very excited for the, for this album when it eventually appears

Christian  
one of the iconic musical references in Ted last Oh, is that of the Diamond Dogs? And we've read that that's one of your favorite works. Were you responsible for getting that into the show?

Jeremy Swift  
I wasn't No, no. But yeah, no, it's a great reference, isn't it? I mean, they don't nobody sort of directly references. Bowie, right. But know that that, you know, one of those boring things that you run around in your head is like, what is my favorite brewery album? Because you can't tell your wife because she'll go, Oh, just shut up. And you tell me that before 30 years ago? And yeah, I think Diamond Dogs is, is my favorite buoy album, actually is my wife's favorite Bali album as well.

Christian  
Speaking of your wife, Mary Roscoe, she plays Mrs. Higgins on the show, which probably explains how you guys have such great chemistry. What was it like working with her on that project? And have you all worked on stage or on camera before and other projects? Well,

Jeremy Swift  
we met on a show a stage show you 29 years ago. And that was kind of weird. It was a company called shared experience. We're sadly not around anymore. But they would take a very literary orientated but physical theater, they would take a book like war and peace, and do strange things with it. We met on that. So and then I think we've done a couple of small scenes together on telly. But yeah, she went she actually went up for other parts in in Ted. And she also got a casting for Ted Lancers and know what it is. And she said, it's old lady. Okay, you know, we are getting on. I don't think you're gonna get that, which is like, Oh, well, well. And then bill Lawrence came up to me, when we were doing Episode Four and said, you know, have you worked with your wife before? And I said, Well, yeah, a bit. And did you get on when you did it? It's strange question. Yes. And, and then he said, you know, yeah, in bills, very cool, kind of, you know, way, said, because we're, you know, we're seeing casting, and she's really lovely. And we want to bring her into possibly playing your wife. You know, I was, which was really, really exciting. So yeah, that's very cool.

Christian  
Was he as excited as you were about the jazzy facial hair that you got to sport later in the season? She's had to deal with all sorts of pressures.

Jeremy Swift  
I mean, look, I'm growing a beard now. And she's not gonna like that. She's just gonna come back in about half an hour and see what's happening.

Christian  
So I guess we'll close with one last question. We have a title. So musical theater playlist going on Spotify, because there's so many musical theater references in the show, and oh, my so many people on cast that have experience in musical theater and

Marisa  
Brett and I are such musical theater nerds.

Christian  
They love it.

Jeremy Swift  
Why not? Now, you know, rock music. But yeah.

Christian  
Well, if we were to add something on that playlist as a piece that you particularly enjoy, do you have any suggestions for us?

Jeremy Swift  
I think now that I put that in my my brain, I think something that's a very energized piece that I always go, yes. That I love is, is a song called cadenza by Dutch uncle's, which is just it's just so exciting. It's not me, it's not musical theater.

Not yet. Not yet.

Marisa  
You never know. Anything can be taken that way. We always talk about our favorite quotes each episode, but do you have like a favorite moment or a favorite line that just like, you just love that one of your fellow characters or you as Higgins got to got to say in the show?

Jeremy Swift  
Oh, well, I live when Ted says that's when sports and art combined. That that I just practically punch the air every time I've seen that. Yeah, I love it.

Brett   
It's a very giftable moment like people and a lot of contexts. pronounce it, Jeff.

Christian  
Well, thank you so much for joining us today. It was so wonderful to have you on the show and to get to visit with you and for us to be able to get some of our burning questions answered. And we're really excited to dig into Season Two coming up soon. Drew, thank you for having me. It's very kind of you

Marisa  
gratulations on your success of the show, we're excited for you, for you and vegans.

Jeremy Swift  
I think all I can say is that the second season is, if you enjoy the characters, and you enjoy the show, it will just give you as many surprises as the first one did that are delightful. And just take you on a journey, you know, and, and, and hopefully, it may even be better than the first.

Christian  
For folks out there who want to check out more of your work, where can they find you on social media or perhaps find some of your music?

Jeremy Swift  
I'm on Twitter and Instagram, and I'm a bit sniffy about Facebook. That's really just my friends. And my album is on iTunes and Spotify. It's called, everything's a joke.

Brett   
Great. Well, thank you so much again, Jeremy. We again, can't wait to see your work and the cast work on season two, and hopefully we'll be able to chat again with you soon.

Jeremy Swift  
Bless you. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah. Thank you. Cheers.

Marisa  
Well, that's our show. We hope you enjoyed our discussion with the incredibly kind and hilarious Jeremy Swift. You can check out the show notes for links to his work and social media accounts, as well as any other cool stuff we mentioned in this episode. You can find him on Instagram at @Jeremy.swift68 and on Twitter as @jezzpSwift.

Christian  
And as always, you can keep the conversation going with us on Twitter and Instagram as well. Our handle on both is at @TedLassoPod.

Brett   
This episode of Richmond till we die is brought to you by Gin and Kerosene Productions. It was produced by me, Brett, Marissa and me, Christian. I also had the pleasure of editing, mixing and composing the music for this episode. If you enjoyed our chat with Jeremy Swift, we humbly ask that you take a moment to give our show a five star review and subscribe to our feed. It's the best and easiest way you can show your support for the show. Okay, I'm Brett, signing off for Marissa and Christian and Jeremy Swift. Thank you all for listening. Until next time, cheers, y'all.

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